The target curve that Audyssey uses is probably making your speakers sound thin. Voices sound overly pronounced and "honky" if the midrange compensation is not used. I have pro, so I assume I would disable midrange compensation and create a custom curve with a 2db dip at 4k if I want to try the more custom fit approach noted above. Mid-range Compensation and using the Audyssey Editor App. I would think that a big, lively room with low-directivity speakers benefit the most from the Target Curve 2 and Midrange Compensation. What are some pros/cons of bringing down the frequency cutoff range to 500Hz? What about a speaker could "exempt" it from needing midcomp? I'm not sure what constant directivity has to do with the need for the dip. If this is done based on in-room measurements it could do more harm than good. When is turning off mid-range compensation recommended? I have found sometimes that doing it into the treble range made it sound unnatural. "Audyssey" imposes the roll-off and the midrange dip you speak of. That said, I have lot of respect for your subjective opinion on such, but I'd sure like to have some more definitive description of the before and after sound to expect from the midrange correction. Since Audyssey collects data and makes adjustments at several hundred points along the response curve, the Audyssey Pro readout is more representative of what's happening. Some report that they do not have "honkiness" with it off. Just wanted to say thanks to all the pioneers on this thread who went through the early app pain!, highlighted the theories and science re: Schroder frequency, mid range compensation, curve adjustment etc. So, I'd use the app to limit to 300hz, use some bungs for the fronts, and maybe experiment with the sub placement to reduce the null at 60-70. to reinstate the room gain in a bit more of a controlled manner enable Dynamic EQ at -10db. The most typical issue with the midrange is in the voice region. AVR is a Denon 3400h. I agree with this to some extent. I like the adjustments you are able make (and how the sub outs on the 3600h are discrete). Also, if your filters are too sharp in the treble, it can cause ringing (Audyssey MultEQ and MultEQ XT have too many filters in the treble, MultEQ XT32 is the only one that is more smart about where the filters should be allocated (the bass notes)). Posted by 1 year ago. 4. Some rooms do benefit from full range correction. When you have speakers with well controlled horizontal directivity. The range of 2-4 kHz is where human hearing is the most sensitive. Of course, we would agree that is the task of an experienced Audyssey Installer. The S2C is a THX Ultra speaker with its more controlled dispersion. Right, I think a high frequency roll off or even midrange compensation found in the Reference curve was ideal for older home releases that weren’t mastered for the home. If you are using horn loudspeakers which are crossed lower than 2khz (800hz in my case), does it make sense to have midrange compensation turned on? The Curve Editor's can be far more precise ... do you have any suggestions as to what the "inside" handles are doing? Blu-rays/UHD’s are mixed for the home environment now so for me personally I don’t see the benefit of rolling off the highs and the dip in the Midrange. Play a 1kHz and a 10kHz test signal out of just one speaker (banana plugs make for unplugging other speakers easy), stand in front of your speaker and then walk to the side of it (crouch down to be at tweeter level), you should hear how 10kHz dropped off much sooner; then try again with 4kHz and 8kHz. I guess you can test this yourself. You would have to look at the before response to determine what shape the dip should have. Buying Advice, Tech Support, etc for Televisions, Home Theater, Speakers, Projectors, Audio/Video Receivers, etc. Most of my usage/viewing is cable TV and streaming, FYI. Another time it worked fine. I know that where it is applied by Audyssey 2kHz isn't even the crossover point of my speakers! On a tablet you can get an OTG USB dongle and plug in a wireless mouse USB adapter and use the cursor to make finer adjustments than your fingers might be able to. Yes, the idea is to create a couple of points before and after the dip and then use 2-3 points inside to produce the right shape. An experienced installer can fine tune the midrange adjustment to suit the specific needs of the room. Now, for the example above, Audyssey’s default dip at 2kHz does nothing. However, I have come across listeners who don't need it applied. I would assume its a three point setting, the center being at 4k. My speakers dont need this attenuation due to the design being constant directivity from about 300hz upwards. It also has a useful top end of 17KHz. Close. If I have a speaker with a crossover point at 3.8kHz and doesn't have a MultEQ Pro enabled unit, I would end up with both an undesireable dip around 2kHz and some undesireable directivity variations around 3.8kHz? Hard to predict in advance. Only with the Pro Kit. With the Pro version of the software one can move the midrange dip to different frequencies, but this is not possible with the standard consumer version. But based on my experience I have yet to hear a speaker that didn't benefit from the dip. Would a speaker that seems to have very smooth response through the crossover region be a candidate for not using the midrange correction? The Audyssey correction curve radically levels this out. And I guess that, since you are suggesting those points, one handle in the middle (between the two anchors) will not produce a good result? They designed their speakers with this "BBC dip" intentionally in the speaker response. Might those two factors result in a higher ratio of direct to indirect that would make the midrange compensation unnecessary or even undesirable? Where should I set the entry and exit points in the spectrum to isolate the dip within the proper range? A few seconds of Chaka was all it took for me to scramble to turn it back on and reload the filters. Technically, that's true. Midrange compensation may be robbing your speakers of the natural timbre that your speaker designers worked so hard for. Recently paid for and downloaded the Audyssey MulteqXT Editor App, and now I have a … Yes, the default setting is a "best guess". Also, I dislike the mid range compensation, if running full range. "Audyssey FLAT" provides flat response from the F3 of the speaker on up to its upper limit, providing that the correction needed is no more than +9 dB, or - 12 dB (IIRC), over "hundreds" of points of corretion. Basically, a lot of speakers have increased output off-axis in the treble; this is why the BBC dip is a thing and the myth that neutral isn’t ideal started having “proof”. Some ears like the MRC dip left in place. The Audyssey correction curve radically levels this out. Your one stop for all things Home Theater (except soundbars). Most recommendations I have seen say limit EQ to bass. You have 2 different Reference curves to play with as well. So, we have this implemented in the Audyssey target curve. With MultEQ Pro you can choose to turn it off, but we don't recommend it. The filter created by the points of the curve is smoothed to avoid sharp/jagged corners. on/off axis for the Ascend Acoustics Sierra-2. Is this correct, and specifically, how do I create the curve? Midrange compensation is an intentional dip in the 2 kHz region where the vast majority of tweeter-to-midrange crossovers are. It also mentions that using EQ to flatten response in this region causes the problems. So with my b&w diamond series, I believe the crossover is at the 4k point for the tweeters. You should limit correction below the transition frequency if it sounds best to your ears in your space to do so. We found that if that region is equalized to flat, the change in direct to reflected ratio that happens because of the directivity variations causes voices to sound harsh (among other things). Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts, PX75 | HTD Level Three L/R + C | PSA S1500| Fluance XLBP, Infinity Reference R253 L&R/RS152 SS/Rythmik LV12R's/Denon X4300. Tech Support . This notion was observed 40 years ago by BBC speaker designers in their studio monitors. This can be heard and seen in RTA (as irratic response) on many speakers. Mid Range Compensation is negated by my use of Schroeder but will be left for you to decide if it's on or off if employing full range correction. As for not touching anything >500Hz, that’s usually around the room’s transition zone (Schrödinger), so above that you aren’t correcting for the room, but correcting mostly the speaker’s natural sound (save for a bit of reflections).