As you know, there’s this fundamental model in healthcare and psychology too, the stress diathesis model, in which basically a person’s course, for better or worse, is a function of three factors: And the greater the challenges and the greater the vulnerabilities that a person has, psychologically, physically, or environmentally, the more important it is to grow resources inside the body, out in the world, and in particular in my case, inside the mind. But her deli meat and her bacon were actually the most nutrient-dense things in her cart. And this is pretty dense material. The other half are support cells. Chris Kresser: We’re not talking about corn on the cob. Inside the natural frame, the brain had to change for the kid to learn to walk instead of crawl or the adult to learn how to be more patient with in-laws over the holidays. As soon as you watch your mind getting caught up in resentment or rehashing conversations, or in my case, writing emails in your mind at three in the morning, you know, pull out. It does five things automatically. And if you look at traditional medicine, like Chinese medicine, which I studied, Ayurveda, they didn’t really even have in their medical terminology a way of talking about the body and the mind separately. But in your mind, you can always keep developing things there. And you’re right, we’ve now developed a lot of online programs because that’s a wonderful way to reach a lot of people who can then engage these programs at their own pace and very affordably. Chris Kresser: Well, yeah, I might add that to me that’s a really useful framework because we have varying levels of control over each of those factors, right? Chris Kresser: Yeah, there’s no right or wrong way. Diana Rodgers: And when the soil is compacted and we’re constantly just stripping away the biodiversity of the soil, when rain comes, it just washes all the topsoil away into rivers, and that’s how we get these really cloudy rivers. Chris Kresser: Yeah. The momentum there is only building. Chris Kresser: Because in a natural environment where things are trying to kill us, often having that kind of negativity bias and also, I talk about this in the context of technology addiction, a tendency for distractibility. Like, it’s so bizarre, and I think we’re like the frogs in the boiling water. I know from your article, you did also a podcast with Frank Mitloehner—is that how you pronounce it? Because I think that may also be part of the resistance in some cases, like for raising money with this film. Diana Rodgers: Exactly. And then in my practice with Darlene, her really major focus of her practice was being fully sinking into those moments of pleasure, even of the very small pleasures in life that she was able to have, because she was in so much pain for so much of the time. Chris Kresser: And any clinician or dietitian like yourself who’s worked with people knows if they’re struggling with weight, putting them on a higher-protein diet is probably the most important thing you can do. I would prefer to be living my life as I thought it would unfold. All photos on this page are courtesy of iStockphoto.com, Thinkstockphotos.com, Unsplash.com, Pixabay.com, Pexels.com, Burst.shopify.com, or Deathtothestockphoto.com unless otherwise marked. And I don’t go around trying to proselytize and convert vegans to eating animal foods unless they ask me what I think they should do if they come see me as a patient. Chris Kresser: Because they feel that way to us and we don’t recognize that that feeling is actually something very biological. But in our modern environment it’s a prescription for depression and anxiety and also technology addiction. Dr. Rick Hanson: Yeah, you see people. And, actually, red meat consumption wouldn’t go down at all. It was a real pleasure, and I know my listeners are going to get a lot out of it. Just feeling the sun on your arm as it rests on the open window of the car as you’re driving. Slow down for a breath or two, or longer, to help it really sink in. In this episode of Revolution Health Radio, I talk with Trey Suntrup about the different testing options available for measuring ketosis. Chris Kresser: Well, let’s talk a little bit about that, and since we’re on the topic, I do want to come back to some of the other ways that an animal-based food system or food system that includes animals can actually benefit biodiversity and things like that. Read on to learn about nine PCOS nutrition interventions and find out which one may be right for you. And I just think it’s … there’s really nothing to be alarmed about. Where are they going to get the fertilizer if they can’t have animals? So eliminating all animals from our food system, there’s a great study I think I sent you this morning that was published in PNAS about what would happen if we eliminated all animals from our food system. PCOS affects an alarming number of women, but nutritional interventions may help. They had not figured out how to striate the meat with fats. We can help them leave more change behind in a variety of ways. You actually need grazing animals as part of healthy grassland ecosystems. My working title is Growth and Grace, A Neuropsychology of Awakening. That will sell nothing. Dr. Hanson’s work focuses on helping people turn everyday experiences into lasting happiness, love, and inner peace hardwired into the brain. In this episode of Revolution Health Radio, Michael Schrantz talks about the ways you can reduce your viral exposure even when you’re stuck inside. And there’s a lot of schools now eliminating meat for health, and I think a lot of parents are kind feeling a little worried about meat consumption. So I think it’s bordering on racist to have a grain-heavy diet as a global policy for the entire world. Julia Pace says: April 27, 2017 at 11:28 am . But the vegan narrative is so simple in a lot of ways and it plays into a lot of assumptions, even if they’re wrong, that you don’t really have to explain it to people. Chris Kresser: So, we have a lot to talk about. Because if we really wanted to reduce carbon footprint, you pointed out a meta-analysis that suggested that doing things like avoiding one round-trip transatlantic flight, more of a car-free lifestyle, having one less child in an industrialized nation would have by far bigger impact than reducing your consumption of beef. It seems sort of counterintuitive unless you understand this ancestral perspective, that the negativity bias actually served us in a natural environment. And I hope for all of you listening that this has been up maybe a bit of a wake-up call and you have a little more perspective on what’s going on behind the scenes.